If you're not taking part in the IC discussions, you're missing out now, but this time I'm not the one causing you to do so, and it seems you don't mind.
I have been involved in IC dicussions, I've been involved in that sort of thing from before you joined the society. In fact I'm sure I never said that was a problem, though feel free to find a quote from me where you feel that infact I did. Plus should a person choose not to be involved in the IC dicussions, a person may miss out on the roleplay (which if it was an issue for them, they'd find another way to be involved), they wouldn't however find that everyone was suddenly more powerful because of a downtime event that they weren't involved in. There's quite a difference, and an important one too.
In the absence of a tavern full of NPCs, a shady black market dealer and hidden treasures to uncover, we instead have IC pubmeets, Coventina Inc. and the possibility of lurve on the horizon for various different characters. This is the void that I thought I was trying to fill, adding my own content to supplant the lack of it worldside, and I see it happening now, but this time I'm not the one doing it, and it seems you don't mind.
IC pubmeets date back some time too, and the whole IC shops issue has only been possible with the existance of a money system. Of course trading items has happened since they're have been people capable of doing so. From my perspective that may have been one of many voids you were trying to fill, but because you seemed to desire to fill them all at once, not in isolation, it was hard to see it as part of your intentions. These things aren't new, they have been around the entire time to some extent, it just seemed in your desire to have the shade pubs full of NPC's you missed the PC's sitting together and chatting in the well lit one.
I don't want to offend you or go back into the same kind of spiralling arguments. Look, what your hail of negativity caused was everyone to have the kind of dicussions in a public and permenant (until you delete the comments should you choose to do so) place, that they'd been having down the pub and in small groups for a very long time. The big debate wasn't even in response to your quitting, your deciding to quit came out during it, or at least that is how it appeared to me. You were the catalyst for the debate at the time, but not the progenerator of it.
There was a genuine desire to make TL better, which included making it more enjoyable for you. People, myself, included did agree with some of your points and your ideas. However because you yourself demanded you get all you want or none of what you want, and refused to consider compromise or a development of the individual parts we agreed with seperately from the whole it became clear than there was no way to progress. All those people didn't comment just to tell you, you were wrong, they came to debate the issue at hand. The outcome of which is the outcome, but any blame or praise for the results is everyone's responsiblity, as it is the outcome of everyone's input.
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Date: 2006-08-21 05:22 pm (UTC)I have been involved in IC dicussions, I've been involved in that sort of thing from before you joined the society. In fact I'm sure I never said that was a problem, though feel free to find a quote from me where you feel that infact I did. Plus should a person choose not to be involved in the IC dicussions, a person may miss out on the roleplay (which if it was an issue for them, they'd find another way to be involved), they wouldn't however find that everyone was suddenly more powerful because of a downtime event that they weren't involved in. There's quite a difference, and an important one too.
In the absence of a tavern full of NPCs, a shady black market dealer and hidden treasures to uncover, we instead have IC pubmeets, Coventina Inc. and the possibility of lurve on the horizon for various different characters. This is the void that I thought I was trying to fill, adding my own content to supplant the lack of it worldside, and I see it happening now, but this time I'm not the one doing it, and it seems you don't mind.
IC pubmeets date back some time too, and the whole IC shops issue has only been possible with the existance of a money system. Of course trading items has happened since they're have been people capable of doing so. From my perspective that may have been one of many voids you were trying to fill, but because you seemed to desire to fill them all at once, not in isolation, it was hard to see it as part of your intentions. These things aren't new, they have been around the entire time to some extent, it just seemed in your desire to have the shade pubs full of NPC's you missed the PC's sitting together and chatting in the well lit one.
I don't want to offend you or go back into the same kind of spiralling arguments. Look, what your hail of negativity caused was everyone to have the kind of dicussions in a public and permenant (until you delete the comments should you choose to do so) place, that they'd been having down the pub and in small groups for a very long time. The big debate wasn't even in response to your quitting, your deciding to quit came out during it, or at least that is how it appeared to me. You were the catalyst for the debate at the time, but not the progenerator of it.
There was a genuine desire to make TL better, which included making it more enjoyable for you. People, myself, included did agree with some of your points and your ideas. However because you yourself demanded you get all you want or none of what you want, and refused to consider compromise or a development of the individual parts we agreed with seperately from the whole it became clear than there was no way to progress. All those people didn't comment just to tell you, you were wrong, they came to debate the issue at hand. The outcome of which is the outcome, but any blame or praise for the results is everyone's responsiblity, as it is the outcome of everyone's input.